Shipit Revenue (2024)

[00:00] Guys, there you have it. Shipit. They process in 2021 over $13,000,000 in volume from ecommerce sellers by helping them say, okay. Where do you wanna send that package of shoes? We'll pick the carrier. We'll send it. Their take rate was 25. Well, back then, it was 18 per 18%. Today in 2023, because of macroeconomic conditions in Chile, retailers, you know, higher interest rates, less retail sales, etcetera, they'll do about 6,000,000 in GMV. He did the hard [00:24] work last year of downsizing from 110 employees to 25. They were burning 200 k last year. This year on track to profit 500 k, built to make 1,300,000 in terms of take rate on 6,000,000 GMV. Hoping to just buy additional time here as they continue to scale. 800 customers today because he lost 200 when he increased prices, but that's extra margin to the bottom line. He's bought himself more sustainability, more longevity. We'll see what happens next. [00:48] Hey, folks. My guest today is Allan Guiloff. He's a commercial engineer from the University of Chile, experienced in business incubation and a passionate entrepreneur and sports enthusiast. He cofounded shipit, a successful business that achieved achieved over 12,000,000 in annual revenue with a team of a 110 folks operating in two markets focused on tech logistics for ecommerce. Allan, you ready to take us to the top? [01:07] >> Let's do it. Let's rock. [01:08] Alright. Alright. Give me a customer story here. Name someone that's using you and how they're using you today. [01:13] >> Alright. So let's see. Today, we have a customer which is called Semoran, which is women's shoes, and they have their store set up in, I don't know, I think it's WooCommerce or PrestaShop, and they easily integrate with our platform like ourselves, shipit, to import their sales, and we'll automatically choose the best carrier company to fulfill their logistics needs. Either is it same day delivery, next day, or delivery for next week. And after that, we're gonna have [01:41] >> two situations. We are going to either send the carrier company to pick up, or for smaller companies, we ourselves, we have a small operation. We call them heroes, where we pick up. [01:54] Heroes? [01:55] >> Heroes. Yeah. They go to our cross docks, and then the carrier company goes to our cross dock and pick picks up there. [02:02] Interesting. How so I guess how much have how much have you hired internally for this versus our external contractors? How many heroes are full time on the team? [02:10] >> At the time being, I'd say, like, 14. It's it's like a scalable we've tried to focus on a very scalable scalable operation. So at the at the beginning, they were, like, full time employees for us, but then we had them change to a like company contractors. Right? [02:29] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess why did you make that decision? Just you wanna decrease your burn? [02:35] >> No, it's, I mean, Chilean laws and actually like South American laws are very like employer, sorry, employee focused. So it's actually very, very hard to have them your payroll. It's gonna be expensive, [02:55] >> they also prefer to be as contractors. [02:58] Yep. Yeah, just remind me, we've had like the Freight Forward CEO on, Freight Wave CEO on. They're they're connecting sort of shippers sorry. You know, ecommerce producers in mass with sort of carriers. You're you're really doing this on a at a brand level, more more detailed level. Would you would you agree with that statement or no? [03:15] >> What do you mean at a brand level? [03:17] Yeah. So you just gave the customer example was a very specific brand. Right? You mentioned, I think, a shoe company. Right? And you're helping them, I think, find space on whether it's trucks, ships, planes to ship their e commerce goods. Is that right or no? [03:30] >> No, actually, we are responsible from the beginning to the end of what happens to that parcel, to that package. So we are going to choose which carrier company is the best according to the customer's [03:40] specifications. [03:42] >> So the customer might sit on the platform, like, give me my best alternative in the shortest time span. [03:51] >> And we're gonna choose and we're gonna be responsible. So actually, we're gonna connect those 12,000,000 in revenue. We're gonna connect the full parcel price, have our profit, and then pay to the carrier company. So, we actually have like a 25% gross profit. And actually, I called it GMV and then profit because it's a take rate of 25%. [04:13] Yeah, so just to break that, that's very helpful. Thank you. Just to be clear, the brand you work with never actually picks their carrier. You just have your own internal network, and you're picking where to put that parcel of socks or shoes or whatever. [04:23] >> Exactly. Yeah. And I'm responsible of negotiating contracts with the carrier companies. So if they don't deliver in three days, they're gonna charge me for free and maybe I have a different SLA with the customer. Like fifth day, it's Oh, gonna be for [04:38] what's going on there, YouTube? Good to see you guys. Now imagine this. You love watching these interviews with SaaS founders, but imagine if we took all of the valuation data out from over 2,807 interviews I've done manually. Saves you a lot of time. Well, we've done this. We've built it into the beautiful interface inside of Founderpath. Check this out. [04:57] >> I'll show you how you [04:58] can access this in a second, but you log in, you connect your Stripe account, you see your valuation real time. You can see what it changed over the past eighty eight days and even set goals for valuation this year. Now the secret evaluation is there's many different ways to value a SaaS business. 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[06:59] I hope to see you there. Alright. Let's jump back into the interview and break down these margins. So I mentioned, you mentioned 12,000,000 GMV in your bio of the right? [07:09] >> Yeah. Mean, there has been some slight changes because Chile, I don't know if you know, but Chile has had a lot of political and economical conflict. So maybe like a scroll back, 2019 we're selling 2,500,000. 2020 we sold 10,000,000. 2021 we sold like almost 13,000,000, and $2,023.03? [07:32] >> Yeah, 13. And then 2022, we sold 6,000,000. So, the hell happened? Basically, like I said, political and economic, the pension funds, the government approved four different withdrawals of the pension funds. There was massive inflation. With this inflation came along like interest rates, a surge in interest rates. Retailers saw a decrease in their sales and my sales depend on the retail sales. So basically, a lot of retails went out of business. A lot of them decreased their [08:10] >> sales by half. And many of them had to cut costs and go and negotiate directly to their car company. So, this year, to be just completely honest, this year we're going to sell probably the same $6,000,000 we did last year. [08:27] Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, let's talk more about that in a second, but I wanna break down the margin profile here for a second. So you did $6,000,020.22 last year. You're saying of the 6,000,000, 25% of that is your take rate or your bottom bottom line? [08:40] >> No. Take rate. Take rate. [08:41] Take rate. Okay. Yeah. [08:43] >> And let's use this year as an example for so we're gonna sell probably the same 6,000,000. We have a take rate of 25%, so that's gonna be around 1.3. Right? [08:53] Yep. [08:53] >> And probably as an EBITDA, like bottom line, like you say, it's gonna be like 500,000. [09:02] Look, it's impressive that you're in this market, it's impressive that you're profitable, you're planning to generate profits. [09:07] >> I mean, it's a it's a long story, because, I mean, we were a team of one ten. We had operations in Chile and Mexico, but last year, we were raising funds. We had a term sheet signed with two VCs, and they withdrew the term sheet. [09:22] What was what were the terms? How much were you raising at what valuation? [09:26] >> We were raising 10,000,000 at the 13 pre money valuation. And out of those 10,000,000, 5 were for, like, working capital and 5 were for to purchase a Mexican company. [09:38] Oh, wow. So you were selling 40% of the company basically, right? [09:42] >> I know, I know. And I had a huge problem because my investors were like, where our pre money valuation is too low. And I was like, I've been for the past six months trying to raise money. This is the only term sheet we have. Is it or not? And it took me like four months to actually convince my investors to take it, And once I get to that point, the Chilean economy had sunk and BCs withdrew [10:11] >> the offer, by that moment, we had accumulated a lot of debts. Like, I didn't realize. Probably At made a mistake [10:22] >> the time being, I'd say, like, we have a $2,000,000 debt. [10:26] Yeah. It's From a bank or what was the debt? [10:30] >> From the same suppliers. Like, my carrier companies were my my loaners. [10:35] I see. [10:36] >> So I have some bank, some suppliers. And [10:42] >> although a reasonable debt is gonna be like one to two EBITDA, which is because I pay in sixty days. So obviously, I have the opposite of accounts receivable, accounts payable, but it increased like 2.2 to 2.5 times because I extended this with my suppliers. It was like, yeah, the money is coming. The money is coming. Yep. It never came. And I had to increase the team from one ten to 25 guys. [11:16] Tell me how you did that, Allan. That's really, really hard to do, but you did it. [11:20] >> Just imagine August fifth last year, like fifteen minute call with 40 guys at the time. [11:29] >> Was horrible. I probably spent the next two months, like August, September, October. It was horrible, horrible. And we had to agree to pay their how do you say the when you fire someone? You fire someone, have to pay them some money. Like, we had to agree with them like, guys, I don't have any money. I need to pay this in the following six months. Because at the time being, we're burning like 200 k a month, and [11:53] >> it was kind of reasonable. The VCs didn't have any problem with that. [11:58] But And how much cash was in the bank at that point? [12:02] >> None. We're we're just playing with money, entering money leaving. And and at some point, I I went to my investors. Actually, this is like kind of a sad story. I went to my investors the day the new VCs withdrew their term sheet. I went to my investors and was like, Hey, guys, we have a problem. We don't have a term sheet anymore, but I made out a plan. I need 600 ks to do all the changes [12:31] >> I need. I need to close Mexico operation. I need to fire people, pay their money. So I need around 600 ks. And my investors were like, sorry, not gonna happen. You should probably bankrupt the company. I was like, I'm sorry, I mean, this is a company we have thousands of customers. At the time being, we had over 1,000 customers, recurring customers. And I was like, I'm not gonna bankrupt the company. And actually, went against all odds [13:03] >> by myself with no money. I had to push every debt, every payment, and negotiated with the carrier companies and told them, hey, guys. So bear with me. We've been working together for the past seven years. I know I owe you a lot of money, but if I go bankrupt right now, I'm not gonna be able to pay any of the debts I owe you, but instead, let me pay you day by day so you don't increase [13:27] >> your liabilities. Like, every day I'm gonna pay you for the services I use, and that's the way I've been able to go through, and since the changes, I went from negative 200 ks to a positive 40 ks per month. Probably [13:43] Well, that's not easy. Thank you for telling us that story. I mean, there's so many CEOs that had to go through that are going through it right now, but no one talks about it. So they always think they're the only ones doing it, and it's just not true. A lot of founders are doing this right now. [13:55] >> It's horrible. I mean, I've heard so many companies go bankrupt, and I've seen this on other logistics company in Chile, in Mexico. Like now, July, they're telling me, so, Allan, I have a problem similar to yours in like, you had in August. And I was like, boy, you're eight months late. You should have seen this coming. Yeah. Happy to help, but you're kind of late. I don't know if there is a way back. Yeah. But [14:20] So let me ask you a question. I mean, do you your current investors didn't wanna support you when you asked for 600 k. Do you turn the tails and say, well, then let me buy back all of your equity for a super discounted price? [14:32] >> I did. I did. I offer I actually had two times, but it's unbelievable because the same investor that didn't want me to take the term sheet of the $30,000,000 pre money valuation, was like, okay. So you don't wanna put money. You're okay for for the company to buy to go bankrupt. Let me buy the company. I'll take all the liability on the personal on my personal name. And they were like, no. I can't let you do [14:59] >> that. And I was like, why not? You're willing to [15:01] One or it's one or the other. [15:03] >> But it's something like some some ego. I I I don't want I I have no problem for you to fail, but I don't want you to succeed. Like, what the hell? And unfortunately, so that was the first time I tried in August last year, and I actually tried again like two months ago, probably, but unfortunately on the shareholders'agreement, we have the right of first refusal, right? So I actually made an offer, but I knew that [15:37] >> this guy would want to take over the company from me. So I didn't actually, so I spoke to my co founder and told him, don't just agree to sell the company to me. Obviously, I had spoke to him, and let's wait for the ten days for the expiration of the other shareholders to actually put an offer over the table because I know this guy hasn't read all the bylaws on all the shareholders'agreement and stuff, so [16:07] >> he's gonna make a mistake. He's gonna make an offer when actually my offer hasn't been approved yet. So, actually, the right of first refusal won't be applicable. And that happened. This guy, day nine, he made a $20,000 offer for the company. I was like, I just knew it. I just knew it. And at the time being, I'm stuck with these investors. I [16:34] >> don't have the right incentives. I've gone through a lot by myself, but, you know, water on the bridge. I mean, not both. [16:42] You and your how much do and your cofounder own today? [16:46] >> Probably around 49%. [16:48] 49. Okay. I see. I see. Interesting. Well, I mean, are you seeing anything at a macroeconomic level in Chile that gives you confidence that maybe 2024 will look better for the company in terms of retail sales, inflation, etcetera? [17:02] >> I'd say I'd say definitely yes. Because this year and last year, where there was a lot of uncertainty because the people of Chile vote for a new constitution, and the constitutionalists, the ones who were to write the constitution, were a mess, just a mess. It's not very PC, but they were a mess. They were all left wing, extreme left wing, and it gave the economy a lot of uncertainty. Basically, constitution, it wasn't approved, and the new [17:39] >> constitution to be rewritten is like super right wing, and so, you know, that's pro economy, so probably next year, although we have a left wing government, the new constitution is gonna be like the one we have at the time being or right wing. It gives so much confidence to the market. So I hope it's gonna [18:00] be better for business. [18:01] >> It's gonna be better for business. So hopefully, 2024 is gonna be better. Not much better than this year, but we're not gonna have, like, the biggest recession we've seen in in throughout history, but it's not gonna be get worse than this probably. [18:15] Yep. Yep. Yep. Interesting. Well, this is a heck of a story. I mean, many customers of the thousand do you still have today? [18:22] >> Well, when I actually, last night, I probably saw a video where [18:30] >> surging prices is something like, ah, yeah, actually, it was from a live presentation from a VC of your interviews where raising prices is something founders are super scared of. And actually in January this year, was like, okay, so what's killing me is my cash flow. So what if we turn into a completely SaaS business? So I went, I did an interview to all of my customers and my customer said, No way. I mean, I like what [19:01] >> you offered me. I [19:05] >> like the value proposition. And I was like, Okay, so if you like it that much, I'm gonna increase my prices. And I did. And actually, my take rate went from probably eighteen, nineteen to a nice juicy 26%, which is almost a 40% increase. And that's because I searched my prices probably a 10% for my customer, which actually means like more gross profit. It's just neat income with no additional costs. Obviously, I had to do some discounts, [19:38] >> but I went down from 1,000 customers to probably 800, and I had a churn of probably like 7% revenue. So, overall, it was super positive. [19:50] That's great. [19:51] >> You need to have some guts and just Go dive for it. [19:56] Very cool. Very cool. How did you, I know you're a fitness guy, how did you manage just your physical well-being? Just your energy levels, your sleep, your food, your gym time while you're going through all this pain? [20:08] >> Sleep and sports. That's like, and one mistake I did, a horrible mistake, was not talking enough to my wife. Probably in August, I came one day and I said, oh, man, the company might go bankrupt. She was like, what the hell? How [20:30] >> come you didn't tell me anything of the process, right? And I was like, you're right. And I had to stick with all this burden myself. So my biggest recommendation is gonna be talk to your spouse, to your wife, to your whoever, to your best partner. [20:49] >> Don't be afraid of talking these things that shit happens, you know? And sleep at least seven hours a day. I try to sleep eight. So I wake up, I start working at 7AM, so I try to go to sleep at tops 10:30 in the night. I do gym after work, and I do it with my wife. And we're both very sporty, so we have a very, and she's a consultant, so we have a very strict day [21:20] >> in regards of work, then we go to sports together, we eat together, and then maybe we work a little bit more together. So it's a nice balance. We've been together for ten years and it works. [21:32] That's amazing. That's Well, okay, take us home here. Last famous five. Number one, favorite business book? [21:39] >> Probably my mantra today is monetizing innovation. [21:43] Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? [21:50] >> I I I probably like a lot what you've done, so Nathan Latka might be the name. [21:56] You watch you you you watch a couple of the interviews? [21:59] >> Yeah. Probably, I'm gonna copy your business like you just like you told me. [22:04] You're in a you're in actually in a very good position to launch a embedded fintech company based off how you sit in the payment flows. We can chat more about that later. But [22:12] >> Okay. [22:13] Alright. Number number three, what's your favorite online tool for building shipit? [22:17] >> Online tool for shipit must be Slack. [22:20] >> Yeah. Yep. [22:21] Number well, actually, we we know situations. So, Mary, do you have any kids? [22:26] >> No kids. [22:26] No kids. And how old are you? [22:29] >> 33. [22:30] 23. [22:31] >> Wait. 33? [22:32] 33. 33. Okay. Yeah. [22:33] Yeah. Got it. Got it. Okay. So 33. And then last question. Something you wishing you back when you were 20, Allan. [22:43] >> I used to work in an incubator from the center of Chile, and there was this motto, money over the table, take it. That not always applies. Choose carefully your investors. I mean, rather be alone with that company. So, I'm suffering this right now. So, choose wisely and [23:04] >> always, always hear your spouse because my spouse told me, she told me, Do not take money from this guy. And I was like, You don't know him. He has good intentions. Yeah. Right. [23:17] Guys, there you have it, shipit. They processed in 2021 over $13,000,000 in volume from e commerce sellers by helping them say, Okay, where do you want to send that package of shoes? We'll pick the carrier. We'll send it. Their take rate was 25. Well, back then, was 18 per 18%. Today in 2023, because of macroeconomic conditions in Chile, retailers, you know, higher interest rates, less retail sales, etcetera, they'll do about 6,000,000 in GMV. He did the [23:41] hard work last year of downsizing from a 110 employees to 25. They were burning 200 k last year. This year on track to profit, 500 k. Built to make 1,300,000 in terms of take rate on 6,000,000 GMV. Hoping to just buy additional time here as they continue to scale. 800 customers today because he lost 200 when he increased prices, but that's extra margin to the bottom line. He's bought himself more sustainability, more longevity. We'll see what [24:04] happens next. Allan, thanks for taking us to the top. [24:06] >> Nice. Thank you. [24:08] One more thing before you go. We have a brand new show every Thursday at 1PM central. It's called Shark Tank for SaaS. We call it deal or bust. One founder comes on, three hungry buyers, they try and do a deal live, and the founder shares back end dashboards, their expenses, their revenue, ARPU, CAC, LTV, you name it, they share it and the buyers try and make a deal live. It is fun to watch every Thursday 1PM [24:33] Central. Additionally, remember these recorded founder interviews go live. We release them here on YouTube every day at 2PM Central. 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