Serviceform Revenue, Valuation & Funding (2024)

[00:00] Hey, folks. My guest today is Aranti Gomez. She is she was born and raised in Sri Lanka and now based in Europe. She moved to Melbourne, Australia for university, then ran and sold a mobile coffee catering business. She found another business problem and built serviceform. She's now grown up to a team of 52 people and raised 3,000,000 USD. A Harry Potter fan, she builds Legos for fun and took up golf recently. Again, now building serviceform.com, which [00:20] helps you get rid of bad customer experiences. Aranti, are you ready to take us to the top? [00:26] >> Yes. Sounds good. Very exciting. [00:28] What does that mean? Tell tell us an example of a customer using you and how you help them get rid of bad customer experiences. [00:33] >> Okay. A good question. So with whatever we have done so far, Nathan, it's been that anything that we've offered is being around website conversion. So that has been basically the main focus. And something very important to highlight is our customer audience has always been the traditional business. So I don't know how much you know of the backstory of how serviceform was born, But, you know, the idea was that we were working with the traditional businesses in [01:00] >> the hospitality space. And we saw that [01:02] What year was this? When did you launch? [01:04] >> This was in We actually started in early twenty eighteen. [01:09] Okay. [01:10] >> So before that, we had a little coffee catering business in Melbourne, then that's how serviceform was born. So when that happened, we were working with hospitality partners and, you know, these people were very good at what they were doing, very good at events, running a catering business, but knew very little about technology or even what's out there available in the market. So our customer audience is basically the traditional business. So if you think someone like [01:34] So it is your coffee shop, your mobile coffee catering company would be a great customer for serviceform. [01:40] >> Exactly. Perfect. [01:42] Very cool. [01:42] That's amazing. And then [01:45] help me understand how you price. Right? So are you selling $10 a month, a $100? What's your average customer paying per month? [01:50] >> Right. Okay. So with even though we are SaaS, we are more service model SaaS. Right? And the fact that we're working with the more traditional business around real estate, automotive, anything in the service industry. So we do have the typical SaaS monthly subscription. So our pricing starts from about €250 upwards. [02:10] A month? [02:11] >> A month. Yes. [02:12] Okay. What's the average customer pay, would you say? [02:16] >> That's about 300. [02:17] Okay. And your biggest customer pays how much? [02:20] >> Yes. I was getting to that. So they pay about almost 4,000. [02:25] Per month? [02:26] >> Per month. Yes. [02:27] And why do they pay so much more? You're giving them more leads or getting more product. They have more seats. Why do they pay so much? [02:31] >> So it's a mix of a lot of things. It's a mix of so because when we start working them, it's because we have a whole set of conversion tools that we use. And right now, we've actually gone out of the space. We've gone into management, meeting scheduling, all of that. So, when we start working with them, it's always to do with conversion and with a few tools that, you know, can actually help them get started. But [02:51] >> then, more time goes on, we add in the other tools depending on the size of the business. And then comes in more seats because we have our live chat software. We have our meeting scheduling, you know, seats. So all of that. And then also it depends a lot on the size of the business. [03:10] Very cool. I love this. Okay. So that's helpful. You launched in 2018. Your company was your first customer, sort of, your mobile coffee company. How many customers are you serving now today? [03:20] >> So right now, a bit over 400. Around four twenty ish. [03:24] Okay. [03:25] >> But then if you look at it in the sense of, like, because we work with a lot of partners, our tools are live in about maybe over 2,500 websites. [03:32] That's okay. So one of your go to markets is through partners? [03:36] >> Definitely. [03:36] Okay. Let's talk about that in a second. If we take your 420 customers, though, at the average price point of 300 a month, that would put you at about a $120,000 a month right now in revenue. Is that about right? [03:46] >> Actually, it's more. It's about 150,000 in MRR right now. [03:50] So your ARPU is a little bit higher then? [03:52] >> Yes. [03:53] Is great. Oh, what's going on there, YouTube? Good to see you guys. Now imagine this. 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So at that point, I think we were about 65,000 in MRR. So I think growth wise, it's now been 8.5 to 9% month on month. [06:43] Yeah. That's incredible. So 65,000 a month a year ago, up to $150,000 a month today. You mentioned a seed round. So you closed that last year. It's 2,200,000, you said? [06:51] >> It was early this year. So we started commerce, like, the whole discussion late last year, and we closed it early this year. [06:57] Interesting. And and, 2,200,000 pre seed round. I mean, most folks are selling 15 to 20% of their business in pre seed rounds. Were you in that same range? [07:06] >> No. We are much more than that in terms of the, wait. I'm not answering the question. [07:11] Yeah. So someone give you a check for $2,200,000. Most pre seed rounds, that equity investor is gonna get 15 to 20% of the business. [07:18] >> Yes. Absolutely. It's around that. [07:20] You were in that same range? Yes. Okay. Very good. So we could take 2,200,000 in times, like, six or seven. You raised it, like, at between a 10 and 15,000,000 valuation. Valuation, not multiple. [07:32] >> You're you're hitting figures there. [07:34] Alright. Very cool. Why did you need mean, look. Dilution's dilution. Right? You just give up 20% of your business. Why do you need to give up that amount? I mean, why can't you build this and bootstrap it? [07:43] >> Well, multiple things. It's it also comes down to, like, let's say because me and Yarq, my co founder, it's just just the two of us who started, and now we are almost, you know, 60 based in both countries. [07:54] Six zero? [07:55] >> Six zero. Wow. [07:57] >> I know. Right? So we started in Finland because he's Finnish. We were operating the coffee business in Melbourne, but then we realized if we really wanted to do business globally, it would make sense maybe if we moved ourselves into Europe. So, he's Finnish and that's when we opened up the actual business in Finland. But then we were operating in the Finnish market. And if you have operated in the Finnish market, you would know a lot of [08:20] >> companies don't tend to go outside. So everything that we were doing, everything we were learning was very much towards the market. And we realized it was time for us to step out. And then that's when we thought, hey, it might be nice to bring in people who have done this before, get new ideas, move into different markets. So, with that in mind, and then we really wanted to push and grow the business. So then, of course, [08:46] >> we thought investment would be the way to go. And then that's when a Swedish VC a company backing Minds came on board. [08:55] Yep. 60 people. That's a so for 1,800,000 revenue, that's a lot of employees. It's it's taking you a lot of humans to generate not a lot of revenue. 30,000 of revenue per employee. Why do you need so many people? [09:07] >> Good question. So with us being SaaS and working in the traditional space, you know because right now, I'm sitting at WeWork in London. And if you go and ask anyone here about what a CRM is, a conversion software, they'll all know what it is. But you go out and speak to much of the businesses out there, they don't know, right? So working with that target market, we have seen that we just hand over the tools to [09:32] >> them and tell them, great, you paid us a month in subscription fee. Now you can go figure it out. And here's your help documentation. It just doesn't work that way. We have tried it. So, we have a whole customer success team in place to make them successful. So, with that, we have many humans on board. [09:53] How many on customer success? [09:55] >> So I think we have about 15 [09:57] success are they based? [09:59] >> They're based in Finland, Sweden, Spain, and Sri Lanka. [10:04] Okay. I mean, but how do you how do you pay? So, I mean, what I'm looking for here is, are you paying some of these 60 employees, like, really low amounts of money? That's the only way that you could generate revenue at 30 thou I mean, profit when you're doing 30,000 revenue per employee. [10:17] >> Yes. But I I also wanna touch on one more thing. And the other reason why we have so many people is because our entire business so far, I would say maybe about 95% of it is outbound sales driven. So that's where, you know, more people come in sales. And we have about 25 person sales team. [10:35] Do they all have a quota? [10:36] >> Actually, 20. [10:39] Do they all have a quota? [10:41] >> Yes, we do. But the fact that the quota is around about six deals a month per person. [10:51] Which is how much revenue? [10:53] >> So it ranges it'll be about 1,500 in MRR. [10:56] Okay. So you're asking them a sales rep in a year to add 1,500 of new MRR per month, or that would be 18,000 of new MRR per year. Right, times 12 is about 216,000 of new ARR per rep per year. How do you pay a rep if they're only bringing in $200,000 of new ARR? [11:13] >> So we structure a lot of it through so we, of course, we have the base fee, and then we structure most of it through a performance fee. [11:22] Mhmm. So if if you were hiring me, what would my base fee be? [11:25] >> It depends. I'd have to interview you, and we can [11:29] Let's let's say I'm let's say I'm, like, I'm I'm a junior. I'm just getting into sales. Like, what's the lowest my base could potentially be if I'm working for you? [11:36] >> So it'll be about, I would say, 2.5? [11:39] Per month? [11:40] >> Per month. [11:41] Okay. So 2,500 per month. And then if I hit my quota target, how much could I earn over the year? [11:46] >> Let's see. So our commission model is very much structured towards MRR. Right? So with every, deal brought in, we do two x in MRR. Does that make sense? [11:58] No. So if I close a $100 a month deal, how much commission do I get on that? [12:02] >> You make 200. [12:05] What if the customer that I bring in churns after one month? [12:09] >> So that's the other thing. So because we do as a service model, we don't we don't charge them also I mean, we don't do any separate setup fees. But what we do is on a minimum base, we charge them either three months, six months, or twelve months. Then, you know, guarantee that they pay up for three months. [12:29] That makes a lot of sense. Okay. And is this why you've been able to more than double your revenue year over year? It's the sales motion? [12:36] >> Yes. It is. And and something that we've been really trying to figure out this year, which we started, is the marketing side, the inbound side. But we all know how it takes time. Finding the right message, that definitely takes time. Outbound versus what has worked really well for us. And then we are focusing We are basically doubling down on what's working for us. [13:00] Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Now when you launched the company, you mentioned a cofounder. Did you guys split fifty fifty at the start? Yes. Even Steven, right down the middle? [13:09] >> Even Steven. [13:10] >> And fun fact, we also married. [13:11] No. [13:12] Ah, that makes it a little easier. Okay. So the only other people on your cap table besides you and your spouse is the pre seed investors and maybe some employees with the ESOP pool? [13:24] >> Yes. And then we also do have a few angel investors who came on board when, you know, when we started right in the beginning. [13:31] What did they put in? How much total? [13:34] >> So that in total, we have about 2,500,000 raised. [13:38] Okay. So the angels put in 300,000 back in 2018? [13:41] >> Yeah. So it it didn't come all at once. So it was like, you know, bits and pieces because now they have been on board with us for, you know, ever since we started. [13:49] Fair. Fair. Fair. Okay. But you and your your spouse still own together, what, about, like, 75 to 80% of the business? Something like that? [13:56] >> I think it's about 65. [13:57] Yeah. 65. Okay. That's not bad. Very cool. Alright. What do you wanna grow revenue to with this new round of funding? So you spend the full 2,200,000. What do you hope revenue is at when you run out of that money? [14:06] >> Okay. So let's go with years. So by the end of this year, we're estimating to hit about 170,000 in MRR. That's roughly about maybe 1.5 to 1,600,000 in revenue. And next year, what we're very excited about is getting that up to 500,000 in MRR. And this now, our main markets that we're operating has been in Finland, Spain, and Sweden. And Finland has been the market that's been doing well so far. So we want to get, Sweden [14:37] >> and Spain up to that same level. And then we have plans to expand to a few other markets. [14:42] Well, Aranti, we're certainly rooting for you. This is a great story. You guys got a lot of revenue here before you did that 2,200,000 round. So hope you come on in a year and give us an update. But in the meantime, let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, what's your favorite business book? [14:55] >> Business book. How to influence friends. No. I can't remember what's the word. [15:02] How to Win Friends and Influence People. [15:03] >> How to win friends and influence people. Yes. [15:05] Alright. [15:06] Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? [15:09] >> I've always been a huge fan of Richard Branson. I think I would give my entire entrepreneurship career to him. [15:15] Yeah. I love that. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building serviceform? [15:20] >> Google Chat. That's Okay. One main tool that it's been very important. [15:25] Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? [15:29] >> Depends. Five? [15:31] Six? Five? Okay. Situation, married well, you're where are you now? You're married. Any kids? No. No kids? Okay. And do you mind me asking how old you are? [15:38] >> I'm 29. [15:40] 29. Last question. [15:41] Something you wish you knew when you were 20. [15:44] >> Something I wish when I was 20. Well, that I would live in The US because I've always loved New York and I did it. [15:54] Guys, there you have it. Serviceform.com launched in 2018 after she sold her mobile coffee delivery company. Serviceform helps small companies and SMBs like her coffee company get more leads faster. Got 420 customers today that pay on average $300 a month, doing a 150,000 a month in revenue, up from $65,000 a month just a year ago. So really nice growth. She just closed her pre seed 2,200,000 round at between a 10 and 15,000,000 valuation. Her and her cofounder, [16:18] which also happens to be your spouse, still own over 65% of the business. We're certainly rooting for them. Aranti, thank you for taking us to the top. [16:25] >> Thank you, Nathan. [16:28] One more thing before you go. We have a brand new show every Thursday at 1PM central. It's called Shark Tank for SaaS. We call it deal or bust. One founder comes on, three hungry buyers, they try and do a deal live and the founder shares back end dashboards, their expenses, their revenue, ARPU, CAC, LTV, you name it, they share it and the buyers try and make a deal live. It is fun to watch every Thursday, 1PM [16:53] Central. Additionally, remember these recorded Founder interviews go live. We release them here on YouTube every day at 2PM Central. To make sure you don't miss any of that, make sure you click the subscribe button below here on YouTube, the big red button, and then click the little bell notification to make sure you get notifications when we do go live. 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