Grow.comrevenue, acquisition & funding

hello everyone my guest today is rob nelson he's the founder and ceo of grow.com a cloud-based analytics software company for small to medium-sized businesses grow helps companies accelerate their growth by accessing all their data and measuring their business results in real time he's an entrepreneur at heart and a technology enthusiast his previous company logico was acquired by afs in 2012. rob are you ready to take us to the top yeah let's do it i love it a ceo on the road that means he's hustling he's driving to close his next deal thanks for joining us man that's right you bet man all right so we had you on back in november of 2016 and you were very gracious and being very transparent at that point you had about 70 employees you'd raise 13 million in funding about 600 customers doing somewhere around 330 grand in monthly recurring revenue i want to get an update on those numbers but first for newbies to the show tell them what you do and how you make money what's your business model yeah so we focus on simple business intelligence built for the small to medium-sized business market we define smb market as one to 50 million in revenue so think uh a an easy way to connect all of your data to all the different applications that you use pull that in and see all of your business metrics in real time and to just quantify that in terms of average price point to really hone in the s b space are you still around the 500-ish per month range yeah five six hundred bucks a month is what we charge and it's unlimited users unlimited connections unlimited updates um so doing some really cool stuff um you know where you can track your entire business on your phone tvs around the office uh you know that that's a typical use case with so many unlimited kind of value-based metrics what leverage do you keep yourself to drive upsell and expansion revenue um you know the uh the upsell and expansion comes from uh the number of metrics that a customer's tracking so at you know five or six hundred bucks uh i think our standard is 50 metrics 50 reports that they can track on average customers are tracking about 80 and um so pricing kind of scales up from there okay and do you scale also by seats or unlimited seats no matter which plan unlimited seats yeah no matter what plan so rob you're a nice guy you know i'm uh i you know it's in an effort to you know democratize the data get it out there and our whole philosophy is like hey we don't care if you're in finance sales ops you know connect to the apps that you use pull that data back get some real-time insights and share them with the team yep and now what are you at today in terms of total customers we've got about uh 1300 oh wow okay so you more than doubled over the past 13 months that's impressive we've more than doubled in the last 12 months yeah that's really impressive and if we multiply by that 550 main that puts you somewhere around 700 grand a month in revenue or about you know call it 8.4 ish million in ar right yeah a little bit higher than that average deal size for us is uh average deal size ends up being about 8 100 a year in acv annual contract value yep yep no that's great which comes out to about 6.75 a month and would put your mrr somewhere closer to 8.7 grand instead of the 715. so yeah that's great have you broken 10 million in arr we're just about to ah very that's a good way to start the new year that's good stuff um what's driven most of the growth i mean did you ramp up paid spend what's driven it um we have ramped up paid spend i mean um but we've got um you know some healthy unit economics i mean we've got um uh around 40 on the sales team uh 35 to 40 on the sales team um we're doing a lot of paid spend i'd say we've got about a 60 40 split between organic paid versus organic trying to get that down to a 50 50 this year okay what's significant there by the way like in a given month how much we spend on paid uh we spend about 100 120 unpaid yep and is there a particular channel performing really well that's not a mainstream kind of adwords one uh facebook has always done really well for us um yet you know it doesn't perform as well as um like google but you know it's it's a lot less expensive um but still the bulk of what we do comes from facebook do you need any conferences sponsorships or no we do oh yeah i mean we're sponsoring disaster next month and um and we did sastoc and you know several others this year yeah we have good success of conferences okay and then in terms of fundraising have you raised additional capital are you still right around 13 million now we've we've uh we're just wrapping up the series b um and we're coming out doing a whole press release with that in about two to three weeks oh good this episode actually will not go live in fact everyone hearing it right now it will be june um are you comfortable sharing what that amount is if i promise you no one will hear it until then you know i need to keep that i need to keep that one under wraps until we launch that's okay not a problem uh we can people can check that when this when they hear this they can just go google it and figure it out but good stuff what about economics in terms of churn what's your logo turn out currently monthly you know we're about two percent um you know i think healthy smb churn so um yeah that's what we've been uh targeting and of course we're we're trying to get that down a little bit lower but um that's where we're at okay and you know as you're ramping up you know the fundraise i mean a lot of times people ramp up fundraising when they have dialed in economics where they know they can plow money into a channel and generally not see diminishing returns um what are you spending right now to acquire customers and how quickly do you like to get your money back in terms of payback period um you know we've we've got a payback period of about um six to seven months okay that's pretty good and so that's why when i say we've got healthy unit economics and you know i'm thinking about that that cac payback period yeah so it's seven months then your acv average is 8100 i mean you're spending about four grand ish to acquire those guys in a worse worst case scenario yeah and then you talked you touched on your team briefly um earlier but uh you said 40 i think sales people what's the total team size today and where you guys all based yeah we're all um let's see i guess we're not all based here in utah um in you know our silicon slopes area that we call it um we've we've got about just over 100 people and um this past year we opened an office in london and so we have maybe eight people in london okay and they're cranking and exceeding targets and doing well um so that's that's kind of a team dynamic uh yeah maybe 40 between sales marketing um you know probably 30 between product and engineering okay and why you mentioned you're obviously just closing around did you create additional competition in terms of did you have people say wait don't raise let us buy you before you get way more expensive and if so um how do you make a decision between whether to exit or raise capital and keep going yeah i mean we never really ran into that i think that the market our space will go through a consolidation but we're not there yet and um so we didn't have potential buyers and if we did i mean we're we're really not that interested i mean we want to build something uh significant something special we feel like we can own and dominate this smb space nbi um what we're looking to do is become the hub spot of bi um you know and really own and dominate that area how do you beat uh you know a company like clip folio or some of the others that you know well in the space i think one of the things that sets us apart from portfolios you know bi is complex uh especially i think for smbs without i.t departments without a lot of technical resources and so we have a whole onboarding team a whole client success team that's been i think key to who we are and and the support and success our clients have so um you know we've got data consultants a whole team of data consultants to help stand clients up to help them be successful and really get the insights that they're going for well i'm i'm it's it's been fun chatting with both you and alan as you both grow because you're pretty i mean you're pretty neck and neck he's obviously raised a little more but you guys are about equal in terms of revenue and and customer bases so it'll be fun to watch that as that goes i mean are you seeing though is there anything um when your sales people are on cause and they're saying well i'm thinking about clip folio and grow is there a single thing that's winning you these deals like a feature or is it just great onboarding and stickiness and customer support yeah it is i think uh you know in that kind of scenario or power bi i mean a lot of these where it's it's totally self-serve it's like hey go try it out you know see you know test it out and run a scenario and and test grow at the same time and just do a side-by-side comparison yep um i think open and trans you know being open and transparent is kind of our best approach in that way in that regard you do a great job i'm looking at your executive view on the page right now in terms of presenting the data but people can get lost in this um have you moved this stage further yet in terms of building a machine learning and ai to actually make recommendations on what people should do with the data yeah we're starting that process right i mean um we're not really getting into the business of you know this is what the numbers are telling you so take this action we're not so interested in that as we are like what what's the most effective thing to track in your business and what we're seeing our customers our most successful customers track is um all around the customer acquisition process right with you know and be in the b2b world it's you know starting with aspen uh leads generated sales opportunities and the conversion rates and deals close that ultimately trickle down to revenue and sales generated so it's that whole that whole funnel and being able to visualize that in real time to drive behavior and uh growth in the company if brian halligan calls you tomorrow and offers you 6x ar for the company so let's call it 60 million do you sell no no way look at that he almost said it with a completely straight face and then it broke out the smile at the end no i'm kidding rob i tell you there's something in the slopes out there where you're at you know i talked to ryan at qualtrics i mean there are so many companies out there that are killing it obviously the conference is coming up at the end of this week and it looks like it's growing every year um so i'm rooting for you man but let's wrap up here uh with the famous you bet yeah let's wrap up here with the famous five first one here um what is your favorite business book oh sheesh you know this is a hard one i have to go off the one that i just finished which is um extreme ownership and i've loved it jocko right yeah that's right number two is there a ceo you're following or studying someone that's not mainstream you know i mean uh i love ryan you know he and i chat on occasion you're talking about qualtrics ryan right ryan smith at qualtrics yeah um and he's doing great things for the community and and what he's building uh i'm a big fan of jeremy andrus ceo of traeger he's a consumer products guy but knows branding knows how to scale a business um and he's on our board he's he's fantastic number three besides your own what's your favorite online tool for building your company oh you know i don't know how we'd survive without salesforce everything we do is piped into salesforce and because of that i can slice and dice i can answer any question it's it's amazing all right last few here how many hours of sleep are you getting every night um you know i try and get seven and a half pretty good and what's your situation good yeah um yeah i mean that's important to me yeah i mean the situation i've got five kids five kids totally five kids yeah now are they are they old enough to be free employees or free labor or no [Laughter] um just you know they think my office is this fantasy land of you know electric scooters and snacks and a fully stocked fridge and all that stuff so anytime they come to the office they they enjoy it they're watching too much silicon valley on hbo huh all right five kids and rob how old are you i'm 38. all right last question take us back 18 years to your 20 year old self what do you wish he knew you know i i think i wish i would have had more confidence in my in in the in those gut choices and those gut decisions that just plow forward and uh trust those those trust the gut there you guys have it from rob he would have trusted his gut more earlier on he really trusted his gut in 2014 when he jumped full bore in to grow since then you know they've grown very rapidly they serve over 1300 customers that are paying on average 675 bucks a month or 8 100 bucks a year for about 870 grand in monthly recurring revenue they are getting ready to pass or have just passed 10 million bucks in arr 2 logo churn monthly healthy economics in terms of four grand on cac so they get paid back in under uh seven months which is great um scaling up paid spend and they found some channels that work so they're raising more capital well north of 13 million look out for that announcement but rob you've doubled year over year from 4 million in an ar just a year ago to over 10 million today congrats on the growth and thank you for taking us to the top thanks david