Verifiet Revenue, Valuation & Funding (2024)

verified.com it's fraud prevention in the B2B space if you're trying to do a deal with the steel manufacturer in China he'll tell you if they're legit or not same thing in the oil industry very prevalent considering what's happening with sanctions in Russia right now they're doing a business with 27 customers doing 7 800 per uh per year right now in terms of run rate Revenue each customer paying on average 24 per month with consider raising 300 000 at a three million evaluation selling it you know call it 10 of the companies look to scale he wants that credibility in the marketplace right now with this team of two uh as they launch hey folks my guest today is Farhan afsahi he's a 22 year old started his first startup when he was 18 which is a hybrid of zoom and Moodle it was called Ed Pax that now he's working on building a web hosting startup called xgrid and then sorry he did that in the meantime he learned a lot about design and software development now working on verified for the last 10 months that's v-e-r-i-f-i-e-t.com far on you ready to take to the top yeah all right what is verified so verified basically uh it's it's like stripe but for verification we provide verification apis for B2B companies that want to learn more about other companies they want to work with and get the company information like company status registration date and other data that they might need to verify uh the legitimacy of the company they want to work with so basically we're building this service for uh Enterprise type customers because because of the regulatory requirements that they need to uh uh like abide with uh like that was set forth by the government's uh and yeah that's basically Farhan what's your unique mouse trap here there's a lot of companies that sell data on other companies Zoom info bombora cognizum there's a lot of them you know a clear bit what's the Unique Piece of data that you get that nobody else gets or other people have a hard time getting so they're not a verification and fraud detection company so we're focusing on fraud prevention mostly and verification part of the job so they uh they don't they're not mostly connected to company data sources uh government data sources but we we are uh and for example you want to work for the company in China you're based in the US and you want to learn more if you can trust the company you want to work with in China uh you just enter the name in our uh program and it will give you a basic score that whether that company has any type of red flags or not so Zoom info or clearly and other types of like these type of softwares are built for sales mostly but we are building this for fraud detection and uh verification so we we are mostly providing reg Tech understand same same question though right there's a lot of people that sell data buy data from other people they package it up and your IP is actually how you package the data it's not the unique data source you get are you getting any inputs are you getting any data that you feel like is unique to verify that other people are not getting so the problem right now for for example in redtech is that uh most of the verification is take too long and also for example data implementation uh takes a lot of time for example for Enterprises to have real-time information so real getting real-time information about a company that was registered yesterday uh is a bit hard at the same time current like fraud prevention companies are focusing on e-commerce fraud uh but uh our main focus is on B2B front so we get right now we have access to over 300 data sources Farhan what's an example of B2B fraud uh so for example an example of bdb fraud is that uh you want to verify a company in China you want to buy some steel for example from a manufacturer in China there are some vendors involved in the process and you want to check if those companies are registered uh correctly if they are not impersonated by some type of scammers or fraudsters if they're not in any kind of sanctions list or uh like money laundering lists uh so basically it's part of a like due diligence that you're going to do we're providing that due diligence for you uh and yeah so for example one of the things that we've prevented is like B2B impersonation fraud uh like for example right now in the oil oil industry uh because of the Russian Ukraine War uh there's a lot of fraudulent activities happening that uh companies in uh like Ukraine and Russia and uh like UAE turkey some sort of countries like these uh in these regions uh are uh for example copying the data from a U.S company and impersonating them to as a seller or as a buyer and catching this type of impersonation is a bit hard for normal person or even oh what's going on there YouTube good to see you guys now imagine this you love watching these interviews with SAS Founders but imagine if we took all of the valuation data out from over 2807 interviews I've done manually saves you a lot of time well we've 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outright now what's cool about this is this is not built off random data again you guys hear these interviews on YouTube all these datas are built from Real Time valuation data points Founders share with us on the show so traction 1.2 million seed round 3.7 raise they sold 22 percent of their business go in here and filter by the event maybe you only want to see companies that have sold the whole business well here are a bunch that have been acquired the valuation and the multiple maybe you're going out right now and you're raising your seed round well go in here and look at all this recent seed deals that went down what they raised what valuation they raised at and what percent that they sold there's never been a larger data set of SAS valuation than what you can get now inside of founder path and we're thrilled to bring it to you all right we're gonna go back to the YouTube video here in a second but if you want to check this tool out if you want to jump in and sign up you can check 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customer when did you close them about a month after I started to working on verified which was when uh about nine months ago okay so launched the company in 2022 got your first customer where'd you find the first customer if uh he was a friend of my father ah okay is your is your father in defense or security or fraud uh no uh his in their Logistics uh industry yeah interesting interesting do you do you have any kind of cyber background or fraud detection background uh not much no not much okay um got it so I guess that was your first customer fast forward today how many customers are you working with so right now we have about 380 uh users out of the 380 uh about 27 are paying customers and our AR right now is at uh 700 then oh sorry uh 7 800 uh dollars per year yeah that's great yeah so so 27 folks paying 75 a month would be about 2k in mrr um you just said you know 7 800 per year but you know so maybe maybe the RP is more like 50 bucks and the mrr is more like a thousand so you're doing you know you know ten thousand dollars a year right now something like that yeah yeah I see that's great well congrats on getting this off the ground have you done it yourself or do you have a co-founder yeah I have two other people working on this uh as well uh so uh yeah we're working on building and launching every one of our apis uh every day yeah were you guys uh were you nice at the beginning you split Equity evenly or you took the majority yeah no no evenly uh Looking Back Now You're a year in without the right choice to do it evenly yeah look uh normally I don't care about these things because these things are always like just baits a lot of time so we're going to put as much as output as we can so let's just focus on building a product and getting more customers so you know I don't care about having 50 or like 33 so yeah you you will if you sweat for 10 years and build it into a billion dollar company but we still don't have a billion dollar company so let's let's have a billion dollar company and then well you can't change your Equity split from 30 to 15 once you have a billion in Revenue then it's much harder yeah but like we're equals in this yeah that makes sense that makes sense I'm just pushing you um okay uh this is great now have you bootstrap the company or did you raise capital uh bootstrap very cool any plans raise or you want to stay bootstrapped no no we we have to release but not for like having money uh uh reasons uh because like right now we're working with uh like uh government offices that provide like API service their API Services uh when they do also want to check our company uh if we have a good like Packers investors uh that will add credibility to our name as well so one of that's one of the most thing as as a as in the same time uh to get more Enterprise customers like for example since 10 months ago a lot of Enterprises and like Banks like Wells Fargo uh Maybank uh cheaper cash uh like Corner Shop which is a subsidiary of uber uh Shopify have visited our website some of them scheduled a demo to see how they want to use our products so and they're eager to use it so uh so how much are you targeting for on the raise so right now well like the normal pre-seat seed round so about like between 200 to 500 so that that's a pretty much the same thing um and at the same time like in the meantime uh uh we need this type of investors in the B2B space because most of our customers that we're going to Target are like fintechs big fintechs like Banks and uh to get in touch with these type of companies and Landing them as customers having some sort of a connection to them first so far if someone offered you 500k out of 2 million post money valuation or 2 million cap would you take that deal uh so 5042 million yen post money probably okay you're selling 25 of the company I don't think so no you would say no okay so what valuation are you targeting so as I said like for example 25 is a lot today uh like for 20 for 25 percent of the company uh 500k is allowed to actually it's uh low actually so uh if it's about like 300K for like 10 of the company yeah that's not a typical pre-seed round though typical precede round back in the heydays you're selling 20 25 of the company we are definitely not in the heydays anymore yeah so yeah that's definitely something that when we talk to investors we have to figure out uh well you tell me why are you worth 3 million today you're doing 600 600 bucks a month in Revenue the reason is that uh why we're worth this much is that uh our growth compared to some of our competitors and right now the data quality that we have right now uh actually is not uh common with within our competitors because like for example none of our competitors provide uh their any data from regions like China or Russia Middle East and we include all of these data in our databases as well so uh these are the type of values that we offer uh and yes so the reason that we we may be maybe worth more than like 2 million uh is because we're working uh on like a new type of detecting fraud rather than traditional uh sort of uh detecting fraud and to for example to grow and get as much users and Enterprise customers uh we have to think about our later rounds as well and if we spent like give 25 of our company in the preset seat round like we don't have much left like in the next round we'll see what happens how many folks are full-time on the team today that's great we're rooting for you far and we hope it goes well in the meantime let's wrap up here with the famous five number one your favorite Business book uh The Lean Startup number two is there a CEO you're following or studying normally Elon Musk Larry Page uh number three what's your favorite online tool for building verified AWS number four uh how many hours of sleep do you get every night about three to five That's not healthy yeah but like in the these weeks it's like that normally it's about six to eight hours okay and what's your situation married single kids single yeah okay and you mentioned you're 28 22 22 22 okay what's something you wish you knew two years ago when you were 20. uh uh learning some of the skills that I need today guys there you have it verified.com it's fraud prevention in the B2B space if you're trying to do a deal with the steel manufacturer in China he'll tell you if they're legit or not same thing in the oil industry very relevant considering what's happening with sanctions in Russia right now they're doing a business with 27 customers doing 7 800 per uh per year right now in terms of run rate Revenue each customer paying on average 24 per month with consider raising 300 000 at a three million evaluation selling you know call it 10 of the companies look to scale he wants that credibility in the marketplace right now with this team of two uh as they launch Farhan appreciate you man taking us to the top yeah thanks uh so I appreciate as well one more thing before you go we have a 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