How BizMachine CEO Martin Ondas grew to $2.2M revenue and 380 customers in 2025.

launchbizmachine.com as an agency back in 2017 today it's almost it's 90 SAS doing about 1.4 million bucks in Revenue across 250 customers that pound average 350 bucks a month those customers are licensing data and seats from his platform Biz machine to go close more deals so it's a B2B SAS sales tool built and based in Prague and focused on customers that are in Europe hey folks my guest today is Martin nandash he's leading Biz machine the prog based SAS company that builds B2B sales intelligence and prospecting platform for companies in Central Europe the mission is to provide maximum depth of intelligence to Regional BB professionals with specialized insights into e-commerce fintech ICT and automotive automotive Fleet markets Martin you ready to take us to the top hello very nice to be here it's great to have you so give me an example of a customer that's paying you guys today well the range is quite broad um from a small sales teams of the two to four sales people up to an Enterprise with a Salesforce of 250 people um so the Size Doesn't Really Matter for us what's more important is that they're really interested in the regional or local sales Market rather than you know tapping to an international database we go quite deep in individual Industries and in individual use cases for that particular vertical of the customer and so like should we think it'd be like an outsourced SDR agency or are you using technology here to solve this problem we're using technology so uh actually we started as an SDR agency uh kind of a Consulting business about three years ago about 70 percent of our revenues was one of project revenues and at that point uh also with kobit started what year was that Martin uh three years ago early 2020. okay and can I ask you how much revenue and agency Revenue you did in 2020 um who I yeah less than a million dollars okay got it so you had some tree had some traction but you weren't doing you know at that point we decided to invest much more into technology into the platform into self-service Etc especially the mission was to bring the insights and advanced Analytics benefits that a large corporation could buy from us to bring it to a much smaller sales team and we knew that we had to invest much more into the platform so that things are not ad hoc and customized all the time and then they can actually tap to it um today uh this one-off kind of project revenue is less than 17 so 83 percent is our recurring Revenue um and most of that is directly from the platform as a data license and user license uh whether used by users in the user interface or an API to their systems and so Martin what does the average customer pay you per month on the SAS side of things um it's uh four thousand dollars a year so that would be like 350 a month and so what if someone's paying you 4 000 a year how many seats are they getting what's the data license of like what's included in that plan uh they would typically have you know four to five seats so that's kind of The Sweet Spot now we also have others that have 250 seats but the median kind of the the basic packages four to five seats um and we license data and seat separately so either you have very Broad and detailed data sets even if it's one seat it could be quite expensive or you have many seats so we can scale both through depth of data or number of seats that are using a typical license would include both okay very very cool and you mentioned some of your accounts have hundreds of seats or a lot of seats don't name the customer obviously but what is your largest customer pay per year um more than a hundred thousand dollars okay so so interesting and that's and when you say you sell the seats separately from the data license how do you even package and sell a data license what does that even mean it's always a bit of a negotiation so above certain size it's an Enterprise deal obviously and it will with the large customers it will always include user license data license some integration um and maybe even custom work on top of that oh what's going on there YouTube good to see you guys now imagine this you love watching these interviews with SAS Founders but imagine if we took all of the valuation data out from over 2807 interviews I've done manually saves you a lot of time well we've done this we've built the into the beautiful interface inside of founder path check this out I'll show you how you can access this in a second but you log in you connect your stripe account you see your valuation real time you can see what it changed over the past 88 days and even set goals for evaluation this year now the secret evaluation is there's many different ways to value a SAS business so the reason you're going to see three or four different evaluations inside of your founder path dashboard this is all free by the way is because depending on who's doing the buying of your SAS company you're going to get a different valuation a VC is going to pay a 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customers wow how did you get the first 100 what was the strategy well some of them were transitioned from the agency business to the platform so we knew them we knew what they needed we transitioned them uh all the way at the beginning it was through references mostly and I would say the first 20 or 25 references and at some point we started gold calling that's amazing so 250. almost almost like it looked to their door-to-door Salesforce yeah well sometimes that's the hustle it requires but 250 customers paying 350 per month would mean you're doing about 87 000 per month in Revenue today is it accurate so our total revenue is about 1.4 1.6 million dollars a year okay and that's on but that's because you're adding on the agency revenue on top of the SAS right the 17 that's one time so the SAS only would be uh 1.1 1.3 million yep yep yep and so what do you think what do you think you'll grow to here in 2023 on the south part something like 20 percent okay interesting and are you guys bootstrapped or have you raised Capital totally bootstraps so we had some initial seat funding from the founders uh three of us uh and since then it's a bootstrap now were you guys nice to each other at the start did you split Equity 33 33 33 or what that's exactly what we did at the beginning yes was that the right decision uh maybe not but let's see well tell us what you learned a lot of first-time Founders are listening and maybe they're in the middle of an equity negotiation right now at their first SAS company what can they learn from you yeah look um is always pros and cons uh I'm I'm coming now back and listening to other War Stories of uh what what other entrepreneurs have seen and done and uh if I look at it today of those three founders I'm the only one active now in the company ah so or the other two on a vesting scheduled or did you buy back their equity uh not yet are you working on it not yet we're we're negotiating discussing we had a spin-off Etc so it's it's a bit complex but everything will be right so is that a mistake not to have all the founders on investing schedules because now you have 60 of the equity not active in the company uh I think it was a mistake you know we say we have a saying here that um uh friends need good setup and good friends need even a better setup so you know having a formal structure is not in the detriment of a relationship it's the opposite so it probably um would have been a bit easier but it's interesting interesting okay well you're scaling nice today I guess walk me through how many folks are full-time at the company uh we're talking to people 20 people and how many of those folks are engineers um exactly half so fan Engineers yeah and are you an engineer by trade that includes data scientists data engineers and software Engineers are you an engineer no no I used to be a long time ago but uh not for the last 15 years you're a Lotus guy right uh no I worked for sap as a software engineer ah okay yeah very very cool all right so you've bootstrapped today now um tell me why you've decided to bootstrap well at the beginning it was more to keep the control of the company so that was the primary motivation and it was relatively easy for us to sell projects Consulting um and after a while I would say one year ago if you had asked me one year ago I would have said no we're on a path to go and get Venture funding to accelerate the growth now you know what happened with the multiples and everything so we're bootstrapping another year I was like that's awesome what about exit scenarios I mean it sounds like there's an opportunity right now because you're sort of trying to figure out a bunch of equity that's not active anymore I mean if someone came in today and just offered you three million all cash for the whole company would you sell no probably not probably not you had to think about that yeah I need to convert to crowns check grounds you know let me let me phrase it differently I think there's more potential than that I would be much more interested in a strategic buyer that sees benefit in the technology and and the IP that we have and wants to develop it further um well let's say it is that let's say that let's say it is let's say let's say it is that kind of buyer yeah let's say it is that buyer they come they offer you know 3x your annual revenues all cash up front uh 3x is borderline and the team would have to agree with it interesting okay does it team own equity uh no but we will be having an ease of plan ah okay very good very good love that well I love how you're building the company I love how you're scaling what's the plan to go from you know 250 customers to 500 customers is it just cold calling and hustling or what's the growth strategy so right right now our CAC is about four and a half months of recurring Revenue it's about twelve hundred dollars yeah something like that so between four and five months um and it's mostly sales very little marketing uh we'll be growing the marketing portion but we have to learn as we go yep so I think uh um over the last year we more than tripled the inbound leads generation and the references and everything so it's looking good and let's see who it takes us for rooting for you in the meantime let's wrap up here with the famous five number one what's your favorite Business book um probably principles from rayw number two is there a CEO you're following or studying um quite recently I checked out a lot of Patrick that David you know I'm from valuetainment um you know I get inspired by people who are uh kind of hustlers go through a difficult story and um are successful in the end and it's it's a very different life story to mine and I'd like to see that number three what's your favorite online tool for building business machine oh I have a favorite one every month but I think make and select make and slack okay number four how many hours of sleep do you get every night during week or weekends during weeks to seven six to seven during the week okay and what's your situation married single kids well I'm married I have five kids you have five kids yes oh my gosh you're a busy guy how old are you I'm 47 37 47 40. 47 wow okay 47 five kids you still get seven hours of sleep this is incredible what's something you wish you knew when you were 20 Martin trust your own judgment more guys there you have any launch bizmachine.com as an agency back in 2017 today it's almost it's 90 SAS doing about 1.4 million bucks in Revenue across 250 customers that pound average 350 bucks a month those customers are licensing data and seats from his platform Biz machine to go close more deals so it's a B2B SAS sales tool built and based in Prague and focus on customers that are in Europe Martin thanks for taking us to the top thank you Nathan one more thing before you go we have a brand new show every Thursday at 1pm Central it's called Shark Tank for SAS we call it deal or bust one founder comes on three hungry 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