Nife labs Revenue, Valuation & Funding (2024)

[00:00] Guys, it's a hybrid cloud platform, knife.io. They're doing $25,000 a month today in revenue up from 1,000 a month just a year ago. Their pre seed round they closed a year ago for $500,000 at a five over a $5,000,000 valuation. Looking to raise 500 k now targeting a 10,000,000 valuation. We'll see if they can get it done. 25 customers paying on average $1,000 per month, a team size of 20 folks with eight engineers. Hey, folks. My [00:22] guest today is Nida Sahar. She's been blessed with many empowering opportunities in the past fifteen years of her career. Her corporate experience made her extremely passionate about technology and paved her way for the world of startups. She's now working on nifeknife.io, not just for teaching her how to create technological impact, but opening possibilities and become an example for others, specifically others other women in tech. It's an application life cycle management platform. Nida, you ready to take [00:46] us to the top? [00:48] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you so [00:50] >> much for Yeah. [00:51] You you bet. So when did you launch the company and tell us a story about a customer that's using you today? [00:57] >> Oh, we started off peak of pandemic, twenty twenty twenty twenty May. And, yeah, I was stuck in Singapore in a room, and then I didn't know what else to do because it was not my, country of origin. And then my coach advised me that I should start a company, and that's what happened. The two things are that simple. But yeah. So, you wanted a story of one of a customer who's using it? Correct. We have an [01:23] >> interesting music app that's using our platform, and they're doing this to livestream their studio, the the production work. So different musicians from different locations are actually jamming together, and they have deployed their application through knife. So that's really interesting. [01:40] That's very cool. And so what does the average customer pay you per month today? [01:44] >> Average customer pays anywhere between thousand dollars, to about thousand $500. [01:50] Per month? [01:51] >> Yes. [01:52] And what do they get for a thousand a month? [01:54] >> They get a lot of automations done in single go so they can deploy their applications. Not just that, also they get performance metrics related to the applications, who's using it, how they're using it, and how they can go ahead and, scale their applications to different regions and locations as well. [02:12] So your website says the fastest way to build, manage, deploy, and scale any application securely globally with auto deploy from GetZero DevOps servers or infrastructure management. So should we look at this like robotic process automation software? [02:25] >> You can look at it as an application lifecycle management software. [02:28] Well, make it not so buzzwordy. Okay? Make it real for my audience. What does that actually mean? [02:33] >> It actually means your applications need a place to stay. So we help them reach the exact location where they want to live. So my example that I always give is Airbnb for servers. Right? So we have a whole bunch of servers across the world, and we know what the kind of ecosystem and infrastructure each of the servers have. So we help your applications go and live in the location that makes more sense for them, not just [02:58] >> for vacationing, but to survive and to breathe. [03:03] Mhmm. Okay. And you got going in 2020. How many customers do you have today? [03:07] >> We have about 25 odd customers. We have still very good, I would say. [03:11] Yes. And so 25 customers paying 1,000 a month means you're doing about $25,000 a month in revenue? [03:17] >> Yes. We are. [03:18] That's great. And where were you exactly one year ago so we can calculate growth rate? [03:23] >> We we were at a thousand dollars. That's about it. Exactly. [03:27] Story. How'd you get your first customer? [03:30] >> So our first customer came from warm reference, primarily. [03:34] From what? [03:35] >> A warm reference. [03:37] Warm reference came. [03:39] >> Yes. That was the easy part. I think getting the first customer was not that difficult. I think the difficult part was getting the second, third, fourth, fifth customer because then we had to establish patterns. We had to see, what our exact ICP is, who is our persona, which markets do we target because we were all over the place, really. So, I think a year ago, we were still doing pre and spray, I would say. But then [04:04] >> identifying the first, getting my second or third customer became super, super, super critical. So I think it was a lot of, what do I say, marketing effort, a lot of sales effort, LinkedIn reach outs. Don't ask. It's it's been like a great learning process. Yes. [04:21] And how many folks today are full time at the company? [04:24] >> There are about 20 at this point in time. [04:26] 20. How many of those are engineers? [04:30] >> Eight. Eight. [04:31] Okay. And do you code? [04:34] >> I do code. Yes. I'm a tech founder turned whatever business person. Yes. [04:39] That's awesome. Are you a sole founder or do have a cofounder? [04:42] >> I'm a sole founder. Yes. [04:43] Oh, I love that. Congrats. It's so rare. Did you have people saying, oh, Nida, you've got to get somebody else? And you said, no. I'm a do it myself. Like, what was the thinking there? [04:51] >> Investors said you need to find someone. You're going to go crazy. I had my coaches who said that I'll go crazy. I did try finding people. It's not that I didn't, but then it just didn't work out. So at one point in time, I said, just forget about finding a co founder if I have to build this. The drama around finding a co founder is also crazy. Right? [05:15] >> Whatever. So I said, either I'm going to build a company or I'm going to find a co founder. So I said, Chuck, finding a co founder, let me build this. So there were a few investors who didn't worry about the fact that I was a solo founder even. [05:27] What drama? [05:30] >> The drama was a person coming in asking for stake, not wanting to work. And then the whole thing about, hey, I am am the CEO of whatever telecom organization. I'm coming down to your company, so I need to get this much pay and I don't know what not. So I think the co founder conflict part, I think probably I can write a book on it. So, yes, that's that story. [05:55] Oh, what's going on there, YouTube? Good to see you guys. Now imagine this. You love watching these interviews with SaaS founders, but imagine if we took all of the valuation data out from over 2,807 interviews I've done manually. Saves you a lot of time. Well, we've done this. We've built it into the beautiful interface inside of Founderpath. Check this out. 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Okay. Most most folks in their pre seed will sell, you know, 20% of the company. Is that about how much you sold? [08:49] >> We sold about 10% of our company. [08:51] Okay. 10. So you were at about 5,000,000 valuation? [08:54] >> Yes. We're about a 5,500,000 valuation. Yes. [08:56] How did you convince folks to give you a $5,000,000 valuation? You know, in the middle of twenty twenty two, markets are going a bit crazy. You know, you're early on. How'd you get that valuation done? [09:05] >> Couple of things. One is the the the topic of what I'm selling or the the product that I was working on, which is now ready, itself had a lot of potential, especially the layers that we're building on next this year and the year after that are more focused on five g. So that's one part of it. The second aspect of things is that we had, a lot of sales coming in, you know, mid, early last year [09:31] >> to to the time I was raising, we already had a few customers and we had good reviews. That was the second thing. The third is, I think, come what me, our execution is super strong. A small lean team with, really low burn. So I think the investors are kind of appreciative. [09:49] Low burn? [09:51] >> We do about 10 k burn. That's about it. [09:54] Okay. So you're profiting monthly right now about 15,000 a month? [09:58] >> Yes. [09:59] That's great. And so if you have profits, I mean, why raise money? Why give up 20%, 10% of your company? [10:04] >> Yes. So, there are a couple of things. The amount of scale in which we want to, build the next part of the product is huge. The second thing is the kind of customer that we wanna capture, the enterprise based customers who have a slightly higher paying capacity. The the sales procedure is way too long. What we have right now is easy targets, easy customers. And if we continue doing this, our volumes will be higher, but our, [10:30] >> the the purse is gonna be, leaner. So we want to, ensure that we target the big accounts, long LTV, you know, have that in place as well. So this is these are some of the things that we we really need to accelerate growth into. [10:44] So this is what we you're [10:46] raising now, how much are you targeting to raise? [10:48] >> We're targeting about 500 k. That's about it. Because we already a little bit revenue positive. So what we want to do is put in that money from the kitty that we're saving every month plus the money that we're raising into building something bigger than what we have [11:04] right now. And what valuation are you targeting on this new round? [11:10] >> I I mean, it's a conversation that I probably have with my investors. If that is okay, I'll skip this one. [11:16] Well, I guess the reason I'm asking is the equity markets are really hard right now. Right? So and also, like, if you're profiting 15,000 a month already, it seems strange that you would go into a very tough equity market to try and raise $500,000 instead of just staying heads down and focusing on growth and profits. [11:31] >> So it's a call that we're still taking. But the thought process right now is there are there are features that we want to build in that are more important at this point of time, like the whole decentralization of web. And so what we do today is distribution of applications we say application lifecycle management. But the whole decentralization topic is slightly more bigger and more important. And that's the reason why we want to build it now. And [11:55] >> if we wait for another year or so, then it's going to be slightly problematic. The second thing is, do agree that the market is really low and not just low, it's the funding winter. Right? And winter has been here to stay for a longer time. But [12:12] >> if you don't build it out now, then it's going to be there's going to be more competition coming in next year. So keeping that in mind, we just want to raise a small check right now in order to continue building, our efforts into the new part of the product and scaling the product from that perspective. I mean, that's the rationale behind it, really. It's not that we want to raise like a 2 mil or 3 mil. [12:36] >> We don't want to do that much. And we don't necessarily think that any investors would be willing to put in that much money as well. [12:44] So if investor comes to you today and says, oh my gosh. Know, I love what you're building. Here's 500 k, but I want 30% of the company. How do you respond? [12:50] >> Oh, no. I I don't think I don't think that's that's gonna be possible. Evaluation [12:54] is be Nida, you just said that you really wanted money because you have to invest in these products, features that you need right now. Because if you wait a year, it's gonna be bad. This is why I asked the question about Nida. This is why [13:02] >> I about Nida. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, dude. No. No. No. No. No. We're very strict in our valuation. So where we value ourself right now is about 10,000,000. So if we if we don't get a valuation in par with what we have raised previously, it's gonna be really bad for our previous investors. So we're not gonna [13:19] How do you match that, though? I mean, those investors last year, when you're doing a thousand bucks a month in revenue, I mean, this is sort of silly to do, but at a 5,000,000 post money, you could argue it's a 410 x multiple on your revenue, which is sort of silly to do that early stage. Right? So what do you mean when you say it's got to match the last valuation we raised at? [13:36] >> No. I don't mean it has to match the last valuation. What I mean to say is it's going to be really not fair for my previous investors if I give away 30% of my company for 500 k. So that's what I'm trying to say. It's not going to be fair for anyone involved even in the company. [13:51] Life's not fair. There's a ton of companies right now doing down rounds where the current investors are getting way more than investors last year. [13:57] >> See, Nathan, frankly, if we run into a situation like that, I think I'm just going to back off and say, hey, it's okay. Let's continue working on what we have because we're not in a bad shape at all. Let's continue doing that and then see how we can scale with whatever resources we have because we've been lean and we can be leaner than what we have been so far. So that would be the call, but definitely [14:19] >> not downsizing. I mean, the valuation I'm talking about thirty percent five hundred k is actually it's not suitable for anyone. Yeah. [14:28] But this is why I'm pushing you. I don't know. Like, some of the top companies right now can't get rounds done at valuations they like. And so that's why when I pushed you and said, do you why do you need this money now? I think you build a great company that has profits. Why not reinvest profits? That's why I was asking the question. So we'll see what happens. I mean, do you have a term sheet from [14:46] somebody right now on the terms that you want? [14:49] >> We don't have a term sheet. We do have very, late stage conversations going on with two of the investors. So, from that perspective, our valuation isn't as low as what you're saying. So I think I think we're in good shape from that perspective. [15:03] Well, I hope you get it done without having to sell a bunch of the company. Let me just put it that way. Okay? Alright. On that note, let's wrap up here with the famous five, Nida. Number one, what's your favorite book? [15:12] >> My favorite book is mindset. [15:15] Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? [15:19] >> CEO ma'am, I'm not following any any CEO as much. Think, yeah. That that would be a [15:26] Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building the company? [15:31] >> My favorite at this point of time, it's ActiveCampaign because we do a ton of email marketing, CRM, and so on so on and so forth. So it's ActiveCampaign. [15:38] Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? [15:41] >> Oh my god. Good a good night's sleep is four hours. [15:46] That's not healthy. [15:49] >> Yeah. But I'm sorry. I'm a solo founder. What can I do? Yeah. Some days I do land up sleeping for ten hours, but then it's really not healthy what I do. Yes. [16:00] Okay. Well, there you go. So you catch up. We just don't wanna perpetuate the notion that if you wanna call yourself a good founder, it means you only have to sleep for four hours a night. [16:08] >> I wish I could sleep seven hours per night. I really wish I could do that, but I've just not been able to do it. [16:14] You just well, you just catch up. You sleep four hours and you sleep ten hours sometimes. That makes sense. Alright. And what's your situation? Married, single, kiddos? [16:22] >> I'm single. I have I do have cats, though. So yeah. [16:25] Cats? Okay. Great. And, Nida, do you mind me asking how old you are? [16:29] >> I am 37. [16:30] >> 37. [16:30] Last question. [16:31] >> Something you wish you knew when you were 20. [16:34] >> Something I wish I knew I when I was in 20. I think I was too serious, very nerdish. So I wish I knew how to have more fun, which I now know. [16:46] Guys, the hybrid cloud platform, knife.io, they're doing 25,000 a month today in revenue up from 1,000 a month just a year ago. Their pre seed round they closed a year ago for a million bucks at a five over a $5,000,000 valuation. Looking to raise 500 k now targeting a 10,000,000 valuation. We'll see if they can get it done. 25 customers paying on average a thousand dollars per month, a team size of 20 folks with eight engineers. [17:06] Nida, thanks for taking us to the top. [17:09] >> Thank you so much, Nathan. [17:11] One more thing before you go. We have a brand new show every Thursday at 1PM central. It's called Shark Tank for SaaS. We call it deal or bust. One founder comes on, three hungry buyers. They try and do a deal live and the founder shares back end dashboards, their expenses, their revenue, ARPU CAC, LTV, you name it, they share it and the buyers try and make a deal live. It is fun to watch every Thursday 1PM [17:36] Central. Additionally, remember these recorded founder interviews go live. We release them here on YouTube every day at 2PM Central. 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