Sustainable Platform Revenue, Valuation & Funding (2024)

[00:00] Guys, sustainableplatform.com. He's selling his data to 30 fund managers that care about ESG data. He takes this out of 22,000 company reports like Tesla sells it to him for $4,000 a month on average, doing $95,000 a month today, up from 70,000 a year ago, launched in 2017 when he did just 2,500 in total revenue. He's basically bootstrapped, raised 500 k. Last last chunk of that was 100 k at a 8,000,000 post money valuation. Profitable, which is [00:28] great with a team of six as he looks to scale. Hoping to double revenues from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 in terms of ARR this year. Hey, folks. My guest today is Mark Andrich. He's the founder of sustainableplatform, a SaaS data provider dedicated to providing the most important sustainability data and risk metrics to fund managers invest invest sustainably. Mark has a PhD in engineering and previously worked as an analyst and trader at EWE World Fund in New York. [00:52] Mark, you ready to take us to the top? [00:54] >> Yeah. Let's go, Nathan. Thanks. [00:55] Alright. Is there is there big money in ESG data? [01:02] >> There's there's big money with the fund managers making money with ESG data. [01:08] All right. Explain to me what you're selling to them and how are they using what you're giving them? [01:12] >> Okay. So we're providing independent data on companies to help investors understand the environmental and social credentials of what they're investing in and how that relates to the performance metrics from a financial perspective as well. [01:30] So give me an example. What's a company that you cover? [01:34] >> So let's say a company might be, I don't know, Tesla. Tesla. So for example, but we have 22,000 companies on the platform. So it's pretty much every globally listed company almost. So, you know, Tesla's making electric vehicles. That's their, I guess, primary product and service. We're looking at the product and service saying, okay, how clean and the how clean is the the product you're making for the environment and how good is it socially? And then comparing [02:06] >> that with whatever other company you wanna look at. [02:09] And so what are the data endpoints you're providing to the investors? Is it is it, you know, tons of carbon released per year or what are the actual endpoints? [02:16] >> So it might be, [02:20] >> let's say, number of electric vehicles per year, but the impact of that from an environmental point of view. So how much fossil fuels are companies producing? Let's say how many [02:41] >> how do I describe it? So you have it's more the impact of the company's product and service rather than just the operational metrics. So ESG tends to be, let's say, how much carbon emissions do I have? You might be, let's say, you might be a producer of something that is hurting people or harming the planet, but maybe you're doing it in an efficient way. ESG tends to give you a good mark for that. [03:10] What's an example of that? A good ESG mark, but harmful. [03:15] >> So maybe some types of weapons manufacturers, let's say, I don't know, a tobacco company. So they might say they might, reduce their cigarettes year on year with lower emissions. Maybe they've got good workforce policies. I'll give you a good example. ESG tends to be a lot about disclosure and a lot about providing data. [03:41] >> So I might disclose to you, Nathan, that I'm going to punch you in the face. Right? And I might also tell you I've got a policy to not punch you in the face. Now the impact is that I've still punched you in the face even though I've got a great policy and [04:00] >> I guess the [04:03] >> impact is the same. So what we're looking at is, okay, is say Tesla providing a product that's helping people or harming people? How much is it helping people? How much is it harming people? And then how does that compare to the other car manufacturers, for example? You know, we had VW as high risk because it produced diesel cars. [04:23] Oh, what's going on there, YouTube? Good to see you guys. Now imagine this. You love watching these interviews with SaaS founders, but imagine if we took all of the valuation data out from over 2,807 interviews I've done manually. Saves you a lot of time. Well, we've done this. We've built it into the beautiful interface inside of Founderpath. Check this out. I'll show you how you can access this in a second, but you log in, you connect [04:46] your Stripe account, you see your valuation real time. You can see what it changed over the past eighty eight days and even set goals for valuation this year. Now the secret evaluation is there's many different ways to value a SaaS business. So the reason you're gonna see three or four different valuations inside of your Founderpath dashboard, this is all free by the way, is because depending on who's doing the buying of your SaaS company, you're gonna [05:10] get a different valuation. A VC is gonna pay a different valuation, Private equity firm is different. If you're gonna do a minority sale, that's different. And if you sell the whole business, that's a different valuation. You can see all those when I hover over here, right? So the teal is what a VC would pay. Yellow is what private equity And red is if you sold the whole thing outright. Now what's cool about this is this is [05:32] not built off random data. Again, you guys hear these interviews on YouTube. All these datas are built from real time valuation data points founder share with us on the show. So traction 1,200,000 seed round 3.7 raise. They sold 22% of their business. Go in here and filter by the event. 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I hope to see you there. Alright. Let's jump back into [06:46] the interview. And, Mark, how are you? I mean, any company that's providing data, you've gotta you're either structuring data better than somebody else. You have a data source nobody else has or you're massaging the data some other way that others can't do themselves. What is your moat? [07:02] >> Yeah. So we we take companies publicly available information. [07:07] >> So, you know, the annual reports and their websites and things like that. And what we do is we actually translate that information. We take out the text, but we put it through a sustainability lens. So it's really the lens on a company's data that then allows us to create the risk metrics and [07:27] Why can't somebody else do that, though? I mean, why can't someone else build something to parse an annual transcript and get the same thing you're getting? [07:35] >> I mean, someone can do, but they'll come up with different metrics and it won't be as as critical or as easily helpful for fund managers. [07:45] So your IP are the math formulas you run against data points you pull out of annual reports where you know this is what the fund managers care about in terms of ESG rankings? [07:56] >> Yeah. We know what it cares about. We also have tested it for performance and risk so we can show five years of, say, time series data fund managers can [08:04] I see? Give me give us a taste of that. What's what are two metrics fund managers really care about when it comes to ESG? [08:11] >> Say fossil fuel exposure. So how much a company's [08:17] >> spending or selling with fossil fuels. [08:22] >> One is say SDG contribution, sustainable development goal contribution, because they want to see what type of sustainability impact they're making through the UN SDG lens. [08:35] I see. [08:36] >> And [08:37] Alright. [08:38] >> And then yeah. [08:39] So how do you make money? Right? So what are fund managers paying on average for this data on an annual basis? [08:44] >> Well, on average, they're paying about 4 k a month. [08:50] Okay. And what do they get what do they get for that? Is it a number of data endpoints? Is it number of companies you're covering? Is it all 22,000 companies? [08:56] >> Yeah. So they get access to all 22,000 companies. They get access to risk metrics. They get access to our knowledge base. They get access to our SDG contribution, so our sustainability contribution charts that they can use in their reports. And they can also show their institutional investors or, you know, they're actually getting their own sustainability assessment done independently because what a lot of ESG fund managers or people do is they'll say, oh, look, we're sustainable or [09:28] >> we've got these ESG credentials. We're kind of like an independent, I guess, umpire on are they or are they not? And we give them that data so they can test it themselves before they go to market with it. [09:42] And Mark, how many fund managers or how many customers do you have today? [09:46] >> So we've got about thirty thirty fund managers directly. Indirectly, because we've got some partnerships, there's there's a few 100. [09:56] So 4,000 times 30, you're doing about a $120,000 a month right now in revenue? [10:01] >> Yeah. We did about 95 k last month. [10:04] 95,000. Okay. And what what what's that up from? What was that exactly a year ago? [10:09] >> So a year ago, it was about 70 k. [10:12] 70 or 7,000? [10:14] >> No. 70. [10:15] Seventy okay. Got it. And when did you launch the business? What year? [10:19] >> Launched it '20 end of twenty seventeen. So we've been going quite a [10:23] Okay. Do you remember what first year revenues were? [10:27] >> Yeah. About 2,500. [10:32] How'd you support yourself back in those early days? [10:35] >> I was I was doing a lot of consulting work in kind of a similar area, but but more, well, like financial modeling and sustainability analysis. It was consulting work that paid for the business. [10:50] Were you a fund? Did you have your own fund at one point? How did you build empathy for your customers? [10:55] >> Well, I worked for a fund. That's a really, really good question. I worked for a fund in New York in the early two thousands and I love the idea of investing sustainably, but the term didn't really have any meaning or I hadn't even heard of it back then. Really, I tried to invest sustainably myself with the ESG data that was available and with what companies reporting. And it was just impossible. So I built the I actually [11:23] >> built them or helped I got some software developers to build it, but I built the [11:29] >> models and the methodology by trying to invest sustainably myself in a way that also enhance performance. [11:39] How many full time folks are on the team today? [11:42] >> Full time is there's six. [11:45] Six of you guys. Okay. And are you the sole founder? [11:48] >> I'm the sole founder. Yeah. [11:50] And bootstrapped or you've raised a little bit? [11:53] >> We raised a little bit. We bootstrapped initially, but we've raised 500,000 over the past three to four years from friends, family and employees have put in a little bit as well. [12:06] When was the last round? [12:10] >> We About a year ago. [12:13] Okay. And how much did you raise then? [12:15] >> That was a 100,000 from a [12:16] Okay. [12:17] >> Yeah. [12:18] And and how did you so was this like a rolling note you just left open or what was that? What was the cap on the 100,000 that you raised? [12:27] >> So around it was around 8, 8 mil. [12:30] Oh, wow. Okay. [12:32] >> Yeah. What we've done is really we've been very careful about who we've selected as well. I mean, it's a combination of us selecting that sometimes they don't want us as well. But basically, you know, we've been very careful about who we choose as, I guess, [12:52] >> as investors. But it's also, you know, we also kind of would rather get customers than investors. [13:01] >> So we've just sort of gone along like that. [13:04] Yep. So when you take all the dilution from the 500 you've raised, what you still own more than what, 85, 90% of the company? [13:10] >> Yeah. That's right. I own just over 90%. Yeah. [13:13] That's great. And and I love obviously money from customers, especially if you're also mean, are you also profitable? [13:19] >> Yeah. We've been profitable for three years now. [13:22] I love that. Are we talking like $10,000 a month in profits or like a $100,000 or you're basically like breakeven? [13:28] >> It's it's been kind of breakeven, but only because we've been investing as much in the product development as the revenue allows us to. [13:38] Yeah. So what do think you grow to this year? You're at 1,100,000 run rate right now. What do you think you finish with? [13:44] >> Well, depends on a new product launch. So we've been hoping to double it this year, the revenue, but we actually have a new product which is allowing people to purchase company level reports, which we've done in the past. So now any company- So you know, any company or person could actually purchase a single company report [14:05] How much? [14:07] >> Commercially. So that's going to be- We've sold them in the past actually for 50,000 a year. [14:14] >> But we're actually we've got them online at the moment for a noncommercial use at around 2,000, 2,900. [14:28] For the one report? [14:30] >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Basically, all the data on the on the one company. Yeah. [14:35] We'll see. Do you ever get approached by these funds to just just acquire you? And if so, if someone offered you, I don't know, $8,000,000 all cash upfront? Do you sell? [14:45] >> Look, we we I guess we we talk to we talk to everybody. We haven't in the past done it, spoken to any funds like that. I guess we'll see what happens. I mean, we kind of part of our value proposition is that we're independent of the fund managers. And so, you know, we're actually able to give them, I guess, really good independent information. But, you know, we'll see. I mean, it's a pretty kind of exciting area [15:15] >> and it's been growing pretty fast. [15:16] >> We've also arranged because of this podcast to give a discount to your customers. I don't know if we're allowed to do that, but we've a discount. [15:25] Yeah, give it to them now. [15:26] What do you got? [15:27] >> So it's it's Latka, LATKA2023 for the company reports off our website. [15:35] And what's the URL? Where can they go to skip that? [15:38] >> Sustainableplatform.com. [15:40] Alright. There you go, guys. If your fund manager's listening in, you wanna understand ESG reports, sustainableplatform.com. Code is Latka2023. Very cool. Mark, on that note, let's wrap up here with the famous five. Number one, favorite business book. [15:53] >> The Prize by Daniel Yergin. [15:56] Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? [16:00] >> No. Not really. [16:01] Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building the platform? [16:05] >> Well, don't know if it's building it, but LinkedIn for finding customers. [16:09] That's fair. [16:10] Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? [16:14] >> Between three and ten. [16:17] What's your situation? Married, single, kids? [16:20] >> I actually- I got a new partner with two kids and then I've got two kids myself, but they were abducted to Russia by their mother and grandparents a couple of years ago. So I try to call them every night. [16:36] So that's Oh, wow. [16:38] >> Yeah. [16:38] That's a heck of a story. I want to dig deeper there, but we're sort of out of time. But you have four kiddos, two of them in Russia. [16:45] >> Basically, yeah. [16:46] Okay. Very cool. And how old are you? [16:49] >> I'm 44. And if my kids are listening, they need to they need to get hold of me. [16:54] There you go, guys. Kids, if you're listening this, call your father, okay? Alright. Last question. Last question, Mark. What's something you wish you knew when you were 20? [17:03] >> I wish I knew that when you have when you're given two options, you actually have four options. So people say, do you want A or B? Well, you can actually choose neither or you can choose both. I wish I'd I wish I'd thought of that and known that back then. [17:18] Interesting. Guys, sustainableplatform.com, he's selling his data to 30 fund managers that care about ESG data. He takes this out of 22,000 company reports like Tesla sells it to him for $4,000 a month on average, doing $95,000 a month today, up from 70,000 a year ago, launched in 2017 when he did just 2,500 in total revenue. He's basically bootstrapped, raised 500 k. Last last chunk of that was 100 k at a 8,000,000 post money valuation. Profitable, which [17:47] is great with a team of six as he looks to scale. Hoping to double revenues from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 in terms of ARR this year. Mark, thanks for taking us to the top. [17:55] >> Thanks, Nathan. [17:56] One more thing before you go. We have a brand new show every Thursday at 1PM central. It's called Shark Tank for SaaS. We call it deal or bust. One founder comes on, three hungry buyers, they try and do a deal live and [18:08] the founder shares back end dashboards, their expenses, their revenue, ARPU, CAC, LTV, you name it, they share it. And the buyers try and make a deal live. It is fun to watch every Thursday 1PM Central. 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